Curse

4ssassin · Oct 30, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Think of it like this. if you had 100k in storage youd probably spend it all on..oh...say those transformation potions. or 15k armor. or a storm bow. the more money you have, the more you want to spend. most ppl lack restraint. i bet a lot of ppl will be trying to learn it now, hehe.

Proudly the most hated player on Guild Wars.

(edited cause i cant type)

reetkever · Oct 30, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by supaet

I think the end game of guild wars is pvp...you can be a casual pve/pvper like me. If you really only want to play pve. I don't think there is an end game for you guys. Go watch the gamespot video review for guildwars 1. The endgame is pvp. It PUSHES you toward pvp. So please, play pvp if you want something to do in the end game. Or move to another game.

Of course, you can go back to think about how you can farm and cope with the nerfes. That's very fun too. I don't knwo why exactly anet discourages farming. But there is no end game in pve. After you beat the game, that's it. Move on to pvp or quit. That's why the game name guild wars

Well some of us just don't like PvP. There is not yet an 'endgame' in PvE, since new chapters are coming up. We'll just have to wait for that, and the waiting gets less with every chapter (since we have more characters to play the 3 campaigns with). However, you're saying that if we did everything with our characters, we should just PvP or move to another game? Well I might just do that if I didn't like PvE so much. And besides, I don't know what I'm gonna do yet when I did Nightfall. In the last 2 months before Nightfall came out, I've only been farming, and helping other people. It was enough to keep me entertained.

And what's with the 'farmers are greedy' attitude? I give away about 5K a day, to people who need only 500 gold, or to guildies who need 3K. That, however is over, since I need all the money I get myself, or else I won't be able to buy myself a max damage weapon (which is 5K at the crafter - which means i have to play through half a campaign to get one of these and a decent armor set). I think that A-net is trying to tell us to be more careful with money instead.

When I have farmed 100K myself, I can buy those max damage daggers with decent stats my assassin still needs. Or buy a trader in the Guild Hall (which are FREAKING expensive, by the way.)

Cygnus_Zero · Oct 30, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

I don't care what anyone says, ANET is wrong on this one. They put items like Fissue armor in this game that costs a trillion gold, yet we can't farm to make the money for it? And they wonder why people are ebaying gold? I don't ebay gold, but i'll tell you I wouldnt feel bad about it for 1 second if I did because I know they are making moves to keep me from making money in this game. They deserve it. And ANET is the reason for this. They aren't giving us ways to make that kind of money. You can play through this game 10 times and never make enough money for Fissure armor without extended farming. That's a fact.

They really need to focus on making better games than dedicating resources to this kind of garbage. It's no wonder the cut scenes in the games are complete trash. There isn't much to be said for the weak stories either. Why dont they let nature take it's course, let it go, and move on to more important things? I don't know who's running that company, but they have no idea what their target audience is truly looking for.

That recent enemy "AI" improvement is just a crime. I dont even solo farm, and that ruined how I like to play the game. I dont buy games to find a way I like to play it, just to be forced to find new ways. I dont mind finding new ways when I WANT to, not when I HAVE to. When you spend your own money on these games, you should not be forced to adapt because ANET doesn't like people solo farming. And if thats what they actually beleive, then I need to find another game to play.

Guild Wars will be gone soon anyway so it doesnt even matter. They dont even bother reviewing these games on the game sites anymore. Whenever I hear someone mention anything about MMOs on various web sites or podcasts, GW is never mentioned. It's got a bad rap for multiple reasons, understandably. It's unfortunate because I used to love the 1st game, but it's just not the same, due in no small part to poor decisions on changes made to the game.

gg anet

Tijger · Oct 30, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

I don't care what anyone says, ANET is wrong on this one. They put items like Fissue armor in this game that costs a trillion gold, yet we can't farm to make the money for it?

Who says you cant farm? Oh, you mean you cant take a 55 build from a forum and cut and paste and call it farming? Yup, then you're right.
However, solo farming that takes a bit of skill and intelligence is still very well possible.

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And they wonder why people are ebaying gold? I don't ebay gold, but i'll tell you I wouldnt feel bad about it for 1 second if I did because I know they are making moves to keep me from making money in this game. They deserve it. And ANET is the reason for this. They aren't giving us ways to make that kind of money. You can play through this game 10 times and never make enough money for Fissure armor without extended farming. That's a fact.

What a load of bull. Before the solo builds came people were getting FoW armors as well, they just took longer to get them, when I first came to GW there was no eBay gold, you had to earn your ecto's & shards the hard way with balanced parties and smart play, not copying cookie cutter builds.
As for eBay'ing, thats EXACTLY why Anet put the changes in, the noobs who bought their gold on eBay are the ones you should be ranting at, not Anet.

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They really need to focus on making better games than dedicating resources to this kind of garbage. It's no wonder the cut scenes in the games are complete trash. There isn't much to be said for the weak stories either. Why dont they let nature take it's course, let it go, and move on to more important things? I don't know who's running that company, but they have no idea what their target audience is truly looking for.

Lets see, millions of copies sold to date and NF looks to be another major hit for them...yeah, they're clueless at Anet obviously.
Nature taking its course means eBaying gold, FoW rendered truly worthless (and yes, I do have respect for the people who got their FoW armors before the eBayers came) and only fit for noobs.
Anyone who runs around with FoW armor nowadays is called a noob and an eBay'er, I guess you prefer that?

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That recent enemy "AI" improvement is just a crime. I dont even solo farm, and that ruined how I like to play the game. I dont buy games to find a way I like to play it, just to be forced to find new ways. I dont mind finding new ways when I WANT to, not when I HAVE to. When you spend your own money on these games, you should not be forced to adapt because ANET doesn't like people solo farming. And if thats what they actually beleive, then I need to find another game to play.

Dude, no one is stopping you if you dont like the game anymore, thats how these things go. People leave all the time and new people join the game. My guild has taken in 5 new people in the last week alone who got tired of WoW montly fees and grind and switched to GW and we only have a very small guild.

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Guild Wars will be gone soon anyway so it doesnt even matter. They dont even bother reviewing these games on the game sites anymore. Whenever I hear someone mention anything about MMOs on various web sites or podcasts, GW is never mentioned. It's got a bad rap for multiple reasons, understandably. It's unfortunate because I used to love the 1st game, but it's just not the same, due in no small part to poor decisions on changes made to the game.

gg anet

GW gone soon? LOL, I'm sorry but you obviously havent noticed that GW has done extremely well since its first release and continues to attract new players every week.
An average of 1 million players online per day (if Xfire is to be believed) isnt going to go away because of a minor change that affects mainly farmers, people who just play the game hardly even notice the changes.

Maybe with these changes FoW armor will actually have some meaning again instead of spelling NOOB in caps. Think about that.

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 30, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

Guild Wars will be gone soon anyway so it doesnt even matter.
gg anet

Translation: "You sucked anyway and I never liked you!" *slams door and runs off*

That's what these posts remind me of.

Tijger · Oct 30, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Translation: "You sucked anyway and I never liked you!" *slams door and runs off*

That's what these posts remind me of.

Well, we've gotten used to rage quitters by now, this is just the next step

On the bright side, if these rage quitters would actually leave the game for real I'd be a happy camper

Sidra · Oct 30, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Maybe if ANET hadn't allowed the economy to become a tool for these solo farmers, then people would be a lot more economically stable. At the present time, it is incredibally hard to get ANYWHERE without solo farming. I tried it. For a month. Got maybe 200k out of it? Had to spend it all (like previously said, only this was before that.) I have at least 3 friends who ebayed gold just because they were sick of the economy and the farming (but I told them, you don't demand, they'll stop supplying the gold.)

In the case of ebaying gold, people hide behind the guise of "lololol itz my t1m3 nubz nubz notz teh ingame g0ld". Well, it sure as hell isn't your "time" when you sit there maintaining two bot computers AFK'ing while you work your day job. Asshats.

It really should be banned by E-Bay. but bah, what makes goldfarmers money, makes ebay money.

prism2525 · Oct 30, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Thanks to the updates i managed Abbadon's mouth (prophecies) with just hench and it wasn't the boring stuff it would have been if mobs were still stupid. They make changes both to halt excessive farming like the 55HP and force players to use their minds and find new builds instead of rotting their minds with just HB, SoJ/SS, and Prot Spirit.

makosi · Oct 30, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

This is a litte beside the point being dscussed but I'm confused as to why material prices (inc. ectos and shards) are decreasing. The daily yield of ecto must be miniscule in comparison to a week ago yet ecto prices are hovering around 7k - 1k-1.5k lower than last week.

I bet the supply and demand doesn't soley determine prices but the development team can interfere. Maybe i'm missing something.

prism2525 · Oct 30, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by makosi

This is a litte beside the point being dscussed but I'm confused as to why material prices (inc. ectos and shards) are decreasing. The daily yield of ecto must be miniscule in comparison to a week ago yet ecto prices are hovering around 7k - 1k-1.5k lower than last week.

I bet the supply and demand doesn't soley determine prices but the development team can interfere. Maybe i'm missing something.

Give it a bit of time. the trader still has to 'notice' of the lower supply i think, then the prices will go up. yay 13k an ecto (or more)

4ssassin · Oct 30, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

hmmm. you know, maybe Anet should just say "Screw FoW and UW farming." and instead work on adding in new quests and material through patches. If they dont want ppl to farm..then take out the farming areas. Put the FoW quests in the storyline, add in some story for UW, and toss it all into a location that you go to after you beat the game. give players gp rewards for beating those quests, but only allow you do to it once per char. oh, and get rid of all the super rare drops ONLY in those locations spread it around more. alot more. any thoughts on this?

Proudly the most hated player on Guild Wars.

Thom Bangalter · Oct 30, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Really? I've made about 8k and I haven't finished the game (I just made it close to vabbi on my paragon) With collector's armor available, plus a minor vigor rune free from a quest, a player can easily craft a full set of max armor. In addition they'd have money left over to craft a weapon or two.

For luxury items, it should be a little harder to get, and it is. I think the game's economy is well balanced for new players, the only problem is people think they deserve 15k armor without putting any sort of time towards getting it.

sigils>farming anyway, so take what I type here with a grain of salt.

Thallandor · Oct 31, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Perhaps not many players understand this, but i will be blunt about this:

Nightfall + 25th/27th oct update = Making Nightfall non Newbie players friendy.

Most of those who have made their fortunes cant be borthered since they are cash rich with stacks of ecto/shard reserves. Looking at the quest and rewards, New Nightfall players in the long term will be worse off than characters made in factions since there are still more gold/skill point reward quest in Factions (not saying that its a better game).

Now all those pple on these forums who say things like: "You dont need expensive items/skins to play the game, just use collectors" finally get their dream come true, since now the causal new Nightfall players will have to do just that assuming if they even find enough insignias for their new armour. Weapons inscriptions are fine as they are now, Armour insignia though flexible, isnt very smart and we problably will have to wait a few months before they become flooded in the markets as players who are strapped for cash and inventory space will have to give them up unless they are willing to use them for themselves (hence the true Reason why Anet dont want to give players more storage space/character slots -Anti item Hoarding-).

All i can say is, I am a veteran GW player and i am loving Nightfall with my Heros who with my same skillsets are more efficient than myself lol, BUT i cannot start to imagine how new players will feel once they discovered that they cant afford anything and no one wants to buy their loot. GG.

lacasner · Oct 31, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

I don't care what anyone says, ANET is wrong on this one. They put items like Fissue armor in this game that costs a trillion gold, yet we can't farm to make the money for it? And they wonder why people are ebaying gold? I don't ebay gold, but i'll tell you I wouldnt feel bad about it for 1 second if I did because I know they are making moves to keep me from making money in this game. They deserve it. And ANET is the reason for this. They aren't giving us ways to make that kind of money. You can play through this game 10 times and never make enough money for Fissure armor without extended farming. That's a fact.

They really need to focus on making better games than dedicating resources to this kind of garbage. It's no wonder the cut scenes in the games are complete trash. There isn't much to be said for the weak stories either. Why dont they let nature take it's course, let it go, and move on to more important things? I don't know who's running that company, but they have no idea what their target audience is truly looking for.

That recent enemy "AI" improvement is just a crime. I dont even solo farm, and that ruined how I like to play the game. I dont buy games to find a way I like to play it, just to be forced to find new ways. I dont mind finding new ways when I WANT to, not when I HAVE to. When you spend your own money on these games, you should not be forced to adapt because ANET doesn't like people solo farming. And if thats what they actually beleive, then I need to find another game to play.

Guild Wars will be gone soon anyway so it doesnt even matter. They dont even bother reviewing these games on the game sites anymore. Whenever I hear someone mention anything about MMOs on various web sites or podcasts, GW is never mentioned. It's got a bad rap for multiple reasons, understandably. It's unfortunate because I used to love the 1st game, but it's just not the same, due in no small part to poor decisions on changes made to the game.

gg anet

Actually, apart from all the ignorant people here, I agree with your post, except for a few things.

The main part is the first paragraph. Sorry man, ebaying should not be allowed or suggested, it destroys all these mmo's stand for. See, through my experiences, and I'm sure many wealthy players in GW would agree with me, the best way to make money in this game is POWER TRADE. Yes, this is true. I literally power traded 350k in one week of time, just by looking on guru and in game for things cheap that I could sell higher. Really, although I do have a 55 monk and am enraged I lost about 80k due to this AI update (which I still think is bs), I see the reasoning behind it. Farming in this game is the aspect of making money "for idiots". (sorry if I offended anyone, but I feel this is true.)

Ok, but I do strongly agree with how this company is messing this game up. These chapters are just like a car, like a mercedes benz with a new paintjob and leather seats but the engine and brake power is the same. Its performance is constant, and I'm not sure many people realize this on this forum.

Yes, people should not be forced to play a game a ceartain way. I'm sure big bussiness like Walmart or Target didn't get to where they are by being stubborn a-holes and not listening to their customers.

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Originally Posted by Tijger

GW gone soon? LOL, I'm sorry but you obviously havent noticed that GW has done extremely well since its first release and continues to attract new players every week.
An average of 1 million players online per day (if Xfire is to be believed) isnt going to go away because of a minor change that affects mainly farmers, people who just play the game hardly even notice the changes.

Maybe with these changes FoW armor will actually have some meaning again instead of spelling NOOB in caps. Think about that.

Average of 1 million players per day??? Man, where are these people, if they really exist I must be as blind as hellen keller. Yes, with very little endgame content and with people reaching the endgame quickly, I would be surprised if Guild Wars does assume major mmo power.

Sidra · Oct 31, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

lacs- there are 3 campaings. You can spread out one hell of a lot over that much terrain. Don't be so quick to diss people, and to diss Helen Keller, either. What did she do to you?

The performance is NOT constant, unless that is a reference to the combination of player interest/nc-soft-anet interest factoring into the game. Honestly, this is just an outlet into a huge game producing corporation. All they want is more money. A-Net wants to make sure people keep buying and paying, hoping players get the illusion that they can farm up enough money before the new chapters get nerfed. Granted, I love the game, but that's (to me) what really does go on behind the scenes.

Akhilleus · Oct 31, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Really? I've made about 8k and I haven't finished the game (I just made it close to vabbi on my paragon) With collector's armor available, plus a minor vigor rune free from a quest, a player can easily craft a full set of max armor. In addition they'd have money left over to craft a weapon or two.

For luxury items, it should be a little harder to get, and it is. I think the game's economy is well balanced for new players, the only problem is people think they deserve 15k armor without putting any sort of time towards getting it.

sigils>farming anyway, so take what I type here with a grain of salt.

the fact that you consider 8k a fair amount of money, means you have the ability to prioritize needs over wants, for this, i commend you.
congrats, you are one of the few players who understands that wealth is more of a mindset than an actual level of aquisition. there are people who can live comfortably off of 30k a year, because they prioritize, and only spend excess money they have, ont he most important things they want, and others who make 200k a year, and are 150thousand in debt, because they buy everything in sight (99% of it crap they dont need), and dont have enough room to purchase the things they actually NEED, and end up putting them on credit.
income does not matter half as much as the method in which you use it, plain and simple.

Tommy · Oct 31, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

i can still make a fairly good amount of money from farming with my own heroes, 3 to 5k per hour. this number may not seem too high for most of us, but fairly good amount for casualists who only want the basic itmes and armors. I picked up all the itmes for my heroes for less than 100k<34 heroes> the runes and inscriptions could be cheapper, the new inscription system is worse than i thought, they should allow most the itmes inscripable game except 2:crytalline and dwarven axe. which can be consider as the highest form of pvp reward. The price for items now is really low imao.. even a perfect dwarven req9 or req8 can't sell for half of what they can be sold for half years ago, that is not good for in game economy. the only way to kill bots are make the mobs' groups more balance, which make them not farmable, lets say the groups are always 10, which including 2 mesners,2 necro,2 warriors,2 nukers, 2 monks. they got all good interrupt and good enchantment remove+wildblow. the poor ai we have now is really terrible imao. they dont really need to upgrade the old AI all the need is a better balance group.

[DemoniC][EVL] · Oct 31, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

I can understand some people's views on having money, like the paragon. Off course if you prioritise you could have enough with the little money you have, though you're absolutely wrong in saying that 8k is enough. A weapon without inscriptions is 5k, armor is about 5k in the lowest, and that's no perfect armor, you still need to buy insignia's for it. So 8k is not nearly enough.

Don't forget that this isn't just about farming, I think it wouldn't be bad all in all to have other means to make money then just farming. Would make the game more diverse, and definately more balanced compared to what it is now.

Perhaps the paragon doesn't know yet about insignia's but without it his armor isn't that good.

And like some others here said, things like 15k armor are now completely out of reach. Sure, you don't really need them, but it's frustrating knowing they exist, and that in normal ways of playing you can never ever make the 75k needed for them, plus material costs, and now also insignia's which you can't even get at the trader but you're at the mercy for of other greedy players.

Guildmaster Cain · Oct 31, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Anyone studying Econometrics here? I am sure there are countless of books found on how the free market system works.

Farming = Lot of money to spend
Lot of money to spend = ability to pay insane amounts for items

If the money wasnt there, nobody would be buying it at the outragious prices, so the sellers would be forced to sell them at lower prices, since nobody can afford it.
Drok runs are only cheap nowadays, since there is too much competiton in it. People smelled money to be earned, so they flocked towards it. Happens everywhere in the real world as well.

Now suppose someone who knows the markets and how they work, bought a lot of minor vigor runes for 600g, when the prices were low. And he sells them now, for more then double the price. Would that be unfair?
I dont have any problems of acquiring 75k for 15k armor, playing the normal way. Most people just keep spending money for the wrong items. Save it and you can spend it later on that 15k armor.

Anyone want to buy minor vigor runes? Or Superior Death Mastery?

Kiros37100 · Oct 31, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Funny you should mention that, I bought 30 minor vigors for 800.
Are they still sold out at the trader?